Having Sisterhood When You’re Ready with Caitlin MacTavish

Tanya Gill: 00:00:00

Hello, my beautiful friends, I am so happy that Caitlin and I are going to be able to share with you today we have been running the SHINE program. And there have been lots of interesting conversations that have come up with within the SHINE program about why have I waited so long? And how come I'm at this point in my life, and everything on the outside? Seems like it's shiny and good. But on the inside, I feel like there's something missing. Caitlin, I'm, you know, I see you nodding your head, like, what are your thoughts? You're a lot younger than I am. I'm 48 You're 17? A few days? Yep. 27 in a short few days, absolutely.

Caitlin MacTavish: 00:00:52

Oh, my God. And the first podcast we recorded together was on my birthday last year. Happy almost podcast aversary

Tanya Gill: 00:00:59

Almost podcast aversary.

Caitlin MacTavish: 00:01:02

Um, I think it's really interesting. And I, my heart just automatically went to one of our clients that said, like, people really view me as this but my insides feel. So such so opposite to how my outsides are viewed and aligning that inside feeling to the outside is so important. And I think there's just the right time is when you choose. But the earlier the better. You know what I mean? So that's why I feel very called to inspire all ages, but I am pushing for the for the women around my age to get in line with themselves and have their outsides and their insides match.

Tanya Gill: 00:01:48

Right. And you know, and the funny thing about that inside outside match thing that is is interesting about this program and about shine itself. And this is why we're you know, we're both so passionate is that it's not about fucking weight loss. Weight loss is often a side effect. But it's not about weight loss. The thing about matching your insights and your outsides is that the world can actually seem really shiny, especially when we're in service to so many other people all the time, right? We can actually dissociate from ourselves, we can actually disconnect from ourselves. And then what we do is we start to use these, I'm just going to call them games. And the games are games that we cling to, based on old stories are based on what society is telling us, that then make us believe that our worth is somehow tied to our body size, or the way we dress or how much we weigh.

Caitlin MacTavish: 00:02:58

Mm hmm. And also, it can also go to, we're only worthy when we're in service of others.

Tanya Gill: 00:03:06

Right? Right. And that's, and that is so frickin dangerous. Right and, and, and it's, it's a slippery slope, it's so easy to fall into being in the service of others. And, and keeping everything shiny on the outside, and then finding that the the solution must be and this is always the thing, right? The solution must be, well, I just need to diet and exercise and get this like control. Once I have this diet and exercise control, everything will start to feel aligned inside and outside.

Caitlin MacTavish: 00:03:50

I'm like sometimes too. And it's so messed up. Like if I'm thin and beautiful. And I have control people will start to quote service me as well. Like, I won't always have to be the one taking care of everyone. People start taking care of me as well. Because when I'm in control, maybe they'll see that I'm taking care of myself, quote, are God and they will want to nurture that. But are you actually taking care of yourself? Are you actually in control when you're being so rigid?

Tanya Gill: 00:04:23

Well, and that rigidity is such a slippery slope, right? Like I mean, how many times have people started the Monday diet all the time? I mean, I'm I used to be the queen of the Monday diet, right? As soon as my fingers touched that salty chip on Saturday, free for all because I was going to start again on Monday. And and in the meantime scarfed down the chips and feel like an asshole to myself speak shit to myself. And then I'd be scrolling on my phone comparing myself to all these other people. who apparently have their shit together? And you know, that inner critic just like went deeper and darker and meaner and harder, and it just didn't serve? Mm hmm.

Caitlin MacTavish: 00:05:16

Yeah. And I think sometimes what people need to realize too, is that like, well, we are starting to figure it out. Like, there's definitely days, like, take yesterday, for example, I was so exhausted, my body was craving sugar. I had some chocolates. And my mind did go to one second, where it was like, well, you should just finish the bad you're having them anyway. And then my other part was like, but you've had a couple. How do you feel about it? Did you enjoy it? Are you satisfied? Do you actually need that bag? No, I walked away, I actually, if I'm being really honest, I put it in the farthest darkest corner of my pantry, so that when I did open it again, I didn't see him right away. But I walked away. And that's what worked for me yesterday. So you don't think we're human. It's still a very natural instinct. But I think a lot of it too, is creating practices to kind of be more mindful about it. Totally.

Tanya Gill: 00:06:15

And the thing is, we're wired, like, we're wired, we, if we know that, that chocolate is going to give us that hit, it's going to feel satisfying. Because at some point in our lives, we learned that that was going to satisfy whatever the feeling was, or whatever the craving was, then they become our Go twos, right? And it becomes so ingrained in us that we actually don't even notice that. We're, we're doing it until sometimes we're halfway or partway through. So a big piece of the reason that we talk about it being a practice and it being about self acceptance and loving yourself, is because, like, like, no more hiding in the pantry, eating the bag of chocolates. Now, like get them out with intention and fucking enjoy them. Hmm,

Caitlin MacTavish: 00:07:13

absolutely. Because the end of the day, the restrictions always gonna make the consumption worse. Like if you're restricting when you do get it, you're like, Ah, I can't have it again for a whole week. Because that whole idea about cheat is absolutely just for myself personally drives me crazy, because I think cheat days, kind of enforced overindulgence, where if we just actually have what we want, every day in moderation, we're not going to have this like, I need to eat at all, when we allow ourselves to finally eat it.

Tanya Gill: 00:07:46

Right. Right. And, and our relationships with food are really complex, right? I mean, the truth is like, I mean, I grew up on a farm, I grew up where you always cleared your plate. And, you know, and that the big treats were like grandma's cookies. And if there was baking in the house, it was a race to eat as much as you could, because otherwise it would be gone. And I also grew up using food, too. Kind of comfort myself when I was feeling fearful, or lonely. And so it became, these are habits, right? And these are things that become a part of us that are so natural that we don't even realize they're happening for us, right. And so it's building that awareness and recognizing where these like, it's not like it's not getting tethered to the why. Right? It's not getting tethered to the like, why am I obsessed with because we like to do that. That's the game. That's the data game. Why am I obsessed with eating at like, whatever it is, why am I obsessed with eating crackers? Okay, like, Oh, you got one, right? I obsessed with eating crackers. And I could, you know, go back to oh, well, you know what, like, when I was kid I used to come home from school and I used to cheese and crackers and snack every day, I could go into all that whole big story. Or I could just be like, I am now in a place where I still eat cheese and crackers because I love cheese and crackers. And Apple, those three things to me go together. Right. And I love myself enough to pay attention to feed myself well and pay attention to when I'm hungry and when I'm full and allow myself to enjoy it instead of it being almost that process of punishing myself further because it was something that I was not supposed to enjoy. Hmm

Caitlin MacTavish: 00:09:58

Yeah, I think it's Really interesting. You talk about how you grew up and how your story around food with your family. Something for me was dinner was done in like five minutes flat. Like, I swear you didn't get to breathe while you ate it was like hurry up and get it done. And so I think, for me, that really came a lot into my adulthood as well, where like me and my husband sit down for dinner, and it's done. We go out to restaurant. It's done. We both are like that. Now, there's more awareness, though. And enjoyment and eating. And I think also, when we talk about our hunger cues, and knowing when you're hungry, and you're full, if you eat your food in five minutes flat, how are you ever supposed to decide if any part of that if you were full, like you just have it in your body, you had to clear your plate and had to be done in five minutes. Now, I'll like eat half sit there, see how it feels? Do I want some more I have some more. Wow, this is really delicious. Like, having that awareness around your meals and taking your time has really made such a positive impact for me. Because when I'm, full oh, it's done.

Tanya Gill: 00:11:09

And then when what's left on the plate becomes an option. Right? It's like, do I want to save this as a lunch for tomorrow? Or do does it go in the bin? Does it is it garbage. And you know what, like, we've even had clients who like, made their goal to leave some bytes on their plate, because it was something that was so deeply ingrained on them. And so they, I just love this, she saved her bytes and put them in zip locks in her freezer. And in one month, she had three large ziplocs full of food in her freezer, and she was like, this is the amount of and like her words were shit that I was mindlessly shoveling in. And not really paying attention to my own needs. And, and so for her, it was the awareness of like, this was a way of her showing herself that she could love and trust herself. She didn't have to shovel it in. And then she felt this sense of pride because she was recognizing that she was changing her relationship with food. Right. And the cool thing is, and this is I guess, maybe, well, we should talk a little bit about, we've been running the program for a while now. And it's been incredible. And in the SHINE program and the sisterhood. Oh, that's

Caitlin MacTavish: 00:12:47

the best. Oh my god, I love me. I love my girls, I call them my girls. I know they're not my girls, but like my shiny gals. Whenever I go out for a meeting, I'm going to go see what else.

Tanya Gill: 00:12:57

And I'm like, I'm going to the shine, sisterhood. And every time I every time I walk out of those meetings and and see my family, they know how happy it makes me personally, to see how beautifully these women are transforming their own lives and making really intentional decisions in their lives. And the funny thing about it is, is that the food and exercise part is really just about paying attention. The rest of it is where the magic comes because it really is about leaning into self love and loving yourself along the way instead of that obsession of comparison or the obsession of restriction or the you know, the that that that grittiness that we're taught that we aren't worthy of loving ourselves and sometimes not even worthy of receiving love. Until some magic thing happens. Hmm,

Caitlin MacTavish: 00:14:10

I think that's how we grew up. Like that's what our society is. It's all of the images up as until late. I feel like there is a giant shift on social media right now. And it is bringing so much joy to my soul. But growing up all you see is weightwatchers Atkins. I'm trying to think of any other ones but like all these advertisements for fitness equipment, diet regimes, like all of that stuff is just thrown in your face from like age, whatever until I feel like it's starting to slowly break down now. So I will say it's been at least a good 27 years with it. And so like I'm in grade eight with terrible body dysmorphia, because all I see around me are advertised Thanks for having to be a very small stick figure. And that's just not who I was. And so there was something wrong with me. But I think there's something really wrong with society.

Tanya Gill: 00:15:12

Well, and you know, the interesting thing about that that is so alarming is that statistically speaking, 13 year old girls, on average, are you ready for this 53% of 13 year old girls struggle with body image. And that number goes all the way up to 78%. By the time they're 17. And so like, you know, we talk about the legacy of self love, we talk about, we talk about, you know, we are here to create a legacy of self love by reinforcing trust in yourself through all of our programs. It's all about that legacy of self love by reinforcing trust in yourself. And, and I'm not saying that people don't trust themselves. No, it really is about making sure you're taking care of you, paying attention to you. And in my case, the way that shine was born was I burnt out, and I was like, Well, I've done every diet. And this must be another reason to start another diet. And then I was like, Oh, my God, I don't have the space and the capacity for the rigidity of the diet and the exercise that I once did. So maybe I should try love. Maybe I should try love. And I started putting the pieces of the love together. And as the pieces started coming together, it was like, Oh, my God, something is happening. And then what is so amazing is it was just months later that you came to me and said, like, I'm struggling. And I need to figure this out, like what are you doing, huh?

Caitlin MacTavish: 00:17:17

But what's interesting, and I feel like you know this, but like, maybe I haven't explicitly said it is I came to you needing a solution for my weight issues, because my weight issues were making me so miserable. And then you were like, Let's try God down love. And here I am. Sitting here around the same weight as when we started going down slowly, I will say that, um, and I love myself so much. And I love my body the way it is so much. And it's such a shift because I did start it like, I need this to be my weight loss solution. I am done. I'm miserable. I hate myself, I hate my body. And you were just like, let's sprinkle some love, let's sprinkle some trust. Let's try a little bit of this, you know, and that's what's worked for me. And it's worked for me in the, the like, trust and love. And I just love myself so much for how I am, period. That's

Tanya Gill: 00:18:18

scary. And I think that's actually what is so cool about the shine sisterhood is we actually make setting weight loss goals an option. And because the tools are there, the tools are there. But it is an option because we've we've come from this culture of obsession of it. Right. And so we've that culture of obsession has been like, there is weight stigma. There is like social media stuff, you know, and the truth is that we also come with trauma, right? You were talking about clear your plate and five minute trauma. And you know, that's that. That's a little T trauma. Some people have big T trauma. But but we all come from all these different places. And starting with the love is the most important part.

Caitlin MacTavish: 00:19:17

Because this is your one life. It is and why do you want to go through your one life being so miserable in yourself that all you want to do is change. Right Instead of embracing your wonderful being and then once you start embracing your wonderful being in my mind, you just keep leveling up after that.

Tanya Gill: 00:19:43

That's exactly once you start That's exactly it because once you start embracing your wonderful being at it and that's the thing right at first it can feel sticky but But you start to build momentum and once you start to embrace that wonderful being. It's like you want to take take better care of yourself. You will love and respect yourself differently and more. And it's interesting how people will use when you really start tapping into that power and reigniting that power of self loving yourself. It does create legacy because it affects the relationships around you. Like you always say, I sprinkled Stardust or pixie dust wherever I go fairy dust wherever I go. But that's kind of part of it. Right? It's that it is a legacy. Its ability to share it. And that is so damn powerful. Yeah,

Caitlin MacTavish: 00:20:42

yeah, absolutely. It is. I love when people are like, okay, things are changing. What are you doing? And I'm like, Oh, let me put some sunshine on you. I'm on it. Let's talk about it. You need some love?

Tanya Gill: 00:20:56

Like, nothing better. And it's hilarious, though, right? Because people are like, okay, you know what, like, the whole world is talking about self love right now. And it's like, doesn't like, what makes? What makes self love so powerful or so different? Or, like, Why? Why would why would why like a legit question. Why would why would I invest in a program with you, versus Weight Watchers, or, you know, some Atkins or, you know, whatever, Sally down the road is selling out of the drop bottles, you know, to help you magically transform your life. And you know what, like, what I've learned in my journey is that I've been, I've done the yo, yo, I've been so many different weights at so many different points in my life. At my heaviest I was 275 pounds. When I started this, I call it the self love experiment is how it's kind of started. I was 227 pounds. And I know that because I was obsessed with the scale. I actually don't know what I weigh. Right now, I haven't weighed in weeks. Because all that is is telling me about a gravitational number. And what matters is how I feel, how I feel in my body, and how I feel about myself, and my worth. And yeah, where the magic is, right? It doesn't matter what the scale really says. But we do we do start to show up for ourselves in different ways. There's no question. And the more you love yourself, and this is what I love, though, this is what we get have the privilege of seeing all the time is, the more people love themselves. They, the more they step into 1% change. And keep seeing the accumulation of that 1% change, and how it builds momentum. And how prioritizing themselves for five minutes a day actually, like changes a hell of a lot, huh?

Caitlin MacTavish: 00:23:22

Yeah, absolutely. It is just such a small amount of time. But I also find that when you give yourself that small amount of time, you're like, it's been going a couple extra minutes here. Oh, that focus a little more time for you here. But that's okay, then you just start really, really showing up for yourself and choosing to choose you. And I think that is something that's been such an important lesson for me is that I chose for a long time to choose everybody but me. And now I'm intentionally choosing myself. And it feels really, really good.

Tanya Gill: 00:23:59

So okay, so let's talk about that. Because choosing yourself means making choices to move your bodies in ways that feel good. And choosing self means. And these are things I know about you right? Choosing yourself means choosing to hang out and read for a couple of hours. Right? Instead of in like and let's be honest instead of housecleaning or something else, right? Making it an actual priority for you. Right and recognize that these are things that are important to you, and that are nurturing for you. Right? And so, does that impact the relationships in your life when you're prioritizing yourself?

Caitlin MacTavish: 00:24:44

Yes, in the best way possible, in that when I choose me, I'm taking care of and I'm happy and I can give my time more intentionally to the people around me I can be more present Not instead of kind of dreading that time with them, not because they're bad people, but like, you know, when you're so burnt out and exhausted, you're like, I don't want to go do this, I want to sit on the couch and be a potato. But sitting on a couch being a potato might, some days, it might fill your cup, that might be exactly what you need. But other days that just might add to that bad feeling. So when you're choosing to do things for you, then you have a lot more space to be intentional and present with your people.

Tanya Gill: 00:25:29

And so it actually does spread the light. Right. And that's the thing, like people feel it, people feel it when you are present and intentional with them.

Caitlin MacTavish: 00:25:42

Yes, and you never know how that's going to show up, I literally just have this conversation with a client, she got a job because she chose to be present in a conversation months ago, months ago, and they had no connection between and she just got, she had a phone call and was offered a job on the spot because of that conversation months ago. But they made a mention about how present and how hurt they felt in that conversation. Like it makes such an impact. And you never know when that impact when you're going to see that impact. But it is always going to show up again.

Tanya Gill: 00:26:13

Right. Right. And so and so presence is such an important piece of, of, of creating self love to, because it's choosing to be present with others, and making the choice to be present with yourself. Right, yeah. It's so good. It's so good. And so and so and so and so you and I have had extensive conversation about this. And our extensive conversation has been that we have generally run this as a 12 week program, where we take enrollment, and then we stay with that group. And what we've realized, and this was in this is something that you talked very passionately about. So I will let you talk passionately about why we've decided to turn it into ongoing enrollment.

Caitlin MacTavish: 00:27:11

So for me, the piece that I'm super passionate about is if you decide you're ready, and then you have to wait three months until we're taking our next enrollment, you're gonna go find something else, you're not going to be excited about it, you're not going to want to do it in three months. We want to be here for you when you're ready. Because that's like just what we go by let us believe in you until you believe in yourself. Let us be here for you when you're ready. So when you're ready, we're ready for you.

Tanya Gill: 00:27:38

Yeah, yeah. And see, I'm getting a little bit tripped up. I think we've all had that experience where we're like, I'm looking for something, I know, it needs to be different. I don't know what it is for sure. I'm scared, I'm nervous. It feels weird to say that I'm at this point in my life. And I don't even know if I love myself, I don't even know if I'm connected to myself, I don't even know who I am. Or every diet and exercise and trainer and drop and magic pill has failed me and I feel like a piece of shit. You know, like, people are there. We know people are there and we ourselves have been there. And it's okay. And it's okay. And it's okay. And there's a gentler way forward. And we don't want you to stay there any longer. No, we don't want like, we want you to step in to the richness of your life right now. We want you to have the support and the mentoring and that sisterhood that says you're accepted where you are right now. We're in this together. And we are coming from a place of love and support and goodness. And with so much grace and joy and gratitude. Like it's just, it's just like, like last night someone said, I've I found my people. And it was and when and when I hear words like that. It reminds me like when people are looking for their people.

Caitlin MacTavish: 00:29:33

They shouldn't have to wait. No, shouldn't have to wait at all. And it's just such a safe and caring space. And I'm going to speak to my introverts here because I'm such an extreme introvert. So a group setting sounds disgusting and terrible and scary. But it's not it's everybody holds each other in such a respect and safe manner. You could Say anything and every single person in that group will have empathy and show love and be there for you, no matter what you bring to the table in that group, and it just feels so good to be a part of it.

Tanya Gill: 00:30:15

It really does. It does. It is a sacred space. It is you know, and, and we talk about it, we talk about it being a sacred space where, where people have the opportunity to have some support to work through some challenges that they're working through in their lives. And, and, and be held in love and support. And, and, and encouraged to keep going one step at a time, one moment at a time, day to day, trusting in that process of love.

Caitlin MacTavish: 00:30:55

I think it is really important to remind or emphasize that like, we're not here to throw sparkles around for an hour, an evening on Thursdays, like some days, yeah, we have the highest vibe ever. And it's a party for an hour. And we're all just like, and sometimes 290 7% of the group shows up like that, and there's a 3% that is like really low vibing. And you know what we're there, we're gonna help pull that support that give that space and it's okay, we talk real talk in those groups. And we're gonna be here for whatever you're showing up with on that evening.

Tanya Gill: 00:31:34

Well, and what I love too, though, is sometimes like we check in at the beginning. And sometimes we do a check in with like, a number vibe from like, from, you know, like, what's your mood? What's your vibe right now from from one to five? And it's or, or from one to 10? And what is so awesome is that when we do the vibe check in, by the end, it's always higher. Even if it's just 1%. Even if it's just one person. That's right. Right, well, that counts. It all counts, small steps. It all matters. So, so moving to that moving to that open enrollment feels like a big step. It feels like a big step. But it feels like an important step. Because, again, you know, all of the things, all of the things are about service, right? Like, whether it be like the podcast is the perfect example. This is the reason we the reason I created the podcast. The reason we're here right now, is because we want to be able to provide accessible information to people. And we want it to be free and available. Right? And then I and then I wrote the trifecta of joy, so that people could have something in their hands to refer to. And, and then we have programs and shine is not the only program we have. We have other programs, right? Dr. Effective Joy Academy is coming very, very soon. And you know, so there, we have other things, but at the end end, and we do coach people individually. And so you know it, there are so many different ways that we want, and we choose to show up, ultimately in service. The reason I want to talk about ultimately in service is because before we recorded this podcast you shared with me that you had just had your final session with one of your clients. And you were feeling that the how you described your experience was you were feeling so proud. Do you want to elaborate on what that means for you as a coach?

Caitlin MacTavish: 00:34:08

I feel super emotional right now. But I do. There's just no better feeling. There really isn't a better feeling then. I started coaching with her at the beginning of November, and we're almost at the end of February and just seeing what can happen in that amount of time and sharing that journey with someone. And having those conversations and knowing like every conversation we have, we're creating together little 1% changes that can happen and then the weeks apart. She's going out and she's doing them and then she comes back and she lets me know how they are going and then just seeing the overall arc of growth and sitting down today and discussing it and celebrating that. I don't think there's a better feeling in the world. Like I am so proud of that growth for her. Like she chose to show up for herself at each of those sessions at all the time in between. And it just makes me so happy to be a part of someone's journey and a part of helping them show up for themselves. And that's where the magic and the transformation happens, right? Like,

Tanya Gill: 00:35:19

which is why as coaches, it kind of becomes an emotional thing. Totally. Every time I have a final session with a client, it is both a celebration. And And it's funny, because in the social work world, we called it termination. Oh, and so it's like terminating the relationship. I can't stand that word. First of all, no.

Caitlin MacTavish: 00:35:46

But please, you celebrating like for coaching, we're gonna be celebrating. It

Tanya Gill: 00:35:51

is it is celebrating, it is celebrating, and it's celebrating the sixth that people, our clients are choosing to step into and pour into their lives, like, their choices, their decisions, we get to mentor them and guide them to like to reinforce that light. And for them to trust it. And, you know, like you started in November, and you finished now. So that's like over like about four months ish. Right? Where maybe it was like three ish, depending on when but whatever the case may be, you know, in that time, you had the opportunity to support someone in some magical growth and transformation.

Caitlin MacTavish: 00:36:47

Yeah, yeah. It's, it is such a rewarding experience for me. And to sit at the end of a conversation and hear how it felt for my client was, it was rewarding for me, but like, in a like, I'm just so happy for her. Do you know what I mean? Like, it's not about me, I'm so stoked for her and what she got out of it. Like, that's what's amazing. I'm so proud and so excited to hear all the things she got out of it. Well, and that's

Tanya Gill: 00:37:24

like, that is like, that's exactly it, right? Because transformation happens at people's own pace, they can choose a group program, and do a group program, which then you know, has a lot more structure to it. There's modules and those kinds of things, right. And then there's coming together as a group, but then there's the individual coaching. And when you do the individual coaching, it's so client focused, that everything becomes about the direction they want to go, why it matters to them, and then creating a plan that feels loving and safe and trusting to move forward into. And, and then. And then the transformation begins. You see the love, you see them trusting themselves. You see them stepping into their lives, you see them making the 1% changes, and you see them adding up and then every single time it's like, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow. And those aren't your words, it's theirs. That's like the best.

Caitlin MacTavish: 00:38:32

I love it. Because the more they're realizing the more their worlds opening up.

Tanya Gill: 00:38:36

And you know, it, it takes courage and I and that's one of the other things that I really want to honor and recognize that whether it is joining a program like shine, or whether it's reaching out for coaching it it does take courage. It takes it takes an ability to trust that first of all, someone else is going to believe in you until you believe in yourself if that's where you're at. And also to trust that whatever the stories you've had in the past can be let go of and you can create a new story for yourself now. Rite Aid, and you can live in a vibration and in a frequency that feels nurturing and good and like Juicy, juicy, juicy, juicy. I always come back to the word juicy.

Caitlin MacTavish: 00:39:36

I love it though, because it's true. And it just feels like just the right does the right to like description word juicy, scared,

Tanya Gill: 00:39:44

juicy. Oh my god. So today we've talked about all kinds of things. We've talked about body image stuff. We've talked about some of our art, you know, interesting conversation shins in the world about how we're showing up for ourselves. We've talked a lot about the relationship with ourselves and others. And we've had an opportunity to celebrate some of the clients that we've had the privilege of working one, huh.

Caitlin MacTavish: 00:40:21

I know I keep telling you, every time we're talking about I'm like to debate babies. And they're not babies, but they're just when I first started coaching with you, you called me your sibling. And to me, I just, I feel like I understand that so deeply now. Because depending on where you're at, in your life, when you come to coaching, it does kind of feel like you're a little seedling, and we're just, we're here to help provide and guide the right nutrients and the sunlight and the water and help you grow and nurture yourself. And it just, I get it, I get it. I love that metaphor, if you will, I love it. And I get it now.

Tanya Gill: 00:40:58

Well, and the other thing is, is a seedling grows into a giant tree. And a giant tree has this magnificent ability to weather the seasons, to bend in the wind, to be present for everything around it. And to provide shade and love in beauty in being. Right. And so, you know, it's it's, it's funny, because as you say that I'm just like, Oh my God. Yeah, like that is that's That's it? Right? And we have that privilege of mentoring seedlings. Totally. Totally. It is such a privilege and honor. And although we also we also mentor trees, let's be honest. Yeah, right. Trees who have weathered some pretty heavy storms are also mentored. Yeah. And that's those are just

Caitlin MacTavish: 00:42:02

beautiful journeys as well. Like, that's what I mean, like, depending on where you show up, or how you're showing up or where you are in your journey of life. Like, each experience is so incredibly unique and beautiful.

Tanya Gill: 00:42:15

And we're here to honor that. Always, always, always. And just like this podcast friends, like that's the point, right? The point of this podcast is to honor your journey in life. And to remind you, that your journey is uniquely yours, and that you have the right to shine, mind, body and spirit. Always. Always, always, always. All right. throw in one more. One more. All right, Caitlin, this has been awesome. Once again, I'm so glad that we could get together to be able to do a podcast with our audience. It's always fun when we do it together, it just we just flow which is talk, we just have the combos and and it's always awesome. So thank you again for coming and being here. And also thank you for being a part of the perfectly imperfect team. You know, you are an important part of our team. And you and I are a team. And we we adventure sister we adventure. Next stop LA for a presentation to 1000 women and and young women and women women from 12 to 112. So I think that we're going to have an amazing time there.

Caitlin MacTavish: 00:43:51

Absolutely. We're going to be sprinkling your fairy dust and my sunshine everywhere. And if you all listening are from LA. We should maybe drop some details to maybe come check it out.

Tanya Gill: 00:44:03

Yes, we will drop details to check it out in the chat notes. Great idea. Thank you very, very much

Caitlin MacTavish: 00:44:08

for that, of course. And thank you for having me here.